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Si ... eso es que dicen ellos.. que se jodan..
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Zona núcleo (norte bs as sur sta fe y sur sudeste cordoba sin grandes lluvias) la mas atrasada es norte bs as.
Zonas oeste bs as y este pampeano y principalmente sudeste bs as las que mas recibieron. Igual está todo muy heterogéneo. El maíz por lo que ví y me comentan está golpeado fuerte y con pocas chances de recupero. Rezar por mas lluvias.
Comento ésto dado que es un tema importante para seguir chequeando.
El dato positivo es que se puede intentar sembrar la soja de 2da en zonas que faltan implantar.
Zonas oeste bs as y este pampeano y principalmente sudeste bs as las que mas recibieron. Igual está todo muy heterogéneo. El maíz por lo que ví y me comentan está golpeado fuerte y con pocas chances de recupero. Rezar por mas lluvias.
Comento ésto dado que es un tema importante para seguir chequeando.
El dato positivo es que se puede intentar sembrar la soja de 2da en zonas que faltan implantar.
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Resultados del ultimo canje... sobre un total adeudado de 14.000 palos verdes, que para el gobierno son 6.500 , entraron 150 .. es decir que el porcentaje de aceptacion es de un 2,3 % para los numeros oficiales y 1 % para los reales ...
Otro exito..
Este nuevo canje sirve para demostrar que el 98 % de los acreedores actuales que tienen embargada a la Argentina rechazan la propuesta Argentina, supongo que este ultimo canje lo habran hecho para que no queden dudas de ello ...
Y que ha consecuencia de ese rechazo Argentina sigue inhibida y pagando con reservas .. A pesar de desangarase pagando como locos con reservas, la deuda Argentina alcanza hoy los 200 mil palos, el doble que tenia al defaultiarse, lo cual demuestra que saquear las Afjp y licuar las cajas previsionales fue en vano, y que el descredito y el desliste que seguimos padeciendo tambien fue al pe**, ya que no hubo desendeudamiento alguno...
Un articulo publicado esta mañana en Bloomberg muestra claramente como Argentina es uno de los pocos paises Latinoamericanos en los cuales casi no existe la inversion y por el contrario lidera la fuga de divisas ..
Por ello no tengo dudas .. esto es decididamente un exito...
Otro exito..
Este nuevo canje sirve para demostrar que el 98 % de los acreedores actuales que tienen embargada a la Argentina rechazan la propuesta Argentina, supongo que este ultimo canje lo habran hecho para que no queden dudas de ello ...
Y que ha consecuencia de ese rechazo Argentina sigue inhibida y pagando con reservas .. A pesar de desangarase pagando como locos con reservas, la deuda Argentina alcanza hoy los 200 mil palos, el doble que tenia al defaultiarse, lo cual demuestra que saquear las Afjp y licuar las cajas previsionales fue en vano, y que el descredito y el desliste que seguimos padeciendo tambien fue al pe**, ya que no hubo desendeudamiento alguno...
Un articulo publicado esta mañana en Bloomberg muestra claramente como Argentina es uno de los pocos paises Latinoamericanos en los cuales casi no existe la inversion y por el contrario lidera la fuga de divisas ..
Por ello no tengo dudas .. esto es decididamente un exito...
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DarGomJUNIN escribió: En lugar de hacer una encuesta sobre el valor futuro de los Cupones PBI para Diciembre 2011 y sus variables conexas, me parece mucho más útil, para poder guiarnos con una relativa seguridad sobre cuando aumentar nominales (para actualizar el nivel ya decidido de caución o reinvertir ingresos provenientes de otras rentas), proceder a efectuar una gran colecta cuponera y con lo recaudado (se necesita realmente bastante dinero) poder adquirir en forma colectiva una "bola de cristal", instrumento indispensable para predecir una baja en sus precios. He probado otros métodos, pero todos fracasaron.
Darío de Junín
apolo1102 escribió:Dario, no te compliques, vos necesitas saber cuando sube el cupon ?
yo te digo: sube casi todo el tiempo !
Que sube casi todo el tiempo, ya no lo discuten ni siquiera los eternos contreras del Kuperno, pero quiero adivinar cuando pegará una agachada para comprar más. Siempre es lindo poder tener el diario del lunes, mientras se juegan los partidos.
Darío de Junín
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renuncioahora escribió:Update planilla concurso con mediana:
Reitero (para ser asentado en planilla) lo que escribí anoche, con posterioridad a haber subido mis proyecciones para 2011:
Rectifico los datos de los Cupones PBI, porque había consignado su valor ex-cupón: TVPP 25,04 TVPA 102,47 Ratio 4,09
Darío de Junín
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Por error cite un link de otro broker en el post anterior.
No considerarlo. Era para respaldar la informacion de las TIR.
No considerarlo. Era para respaldar la informacion de las TIR.
Re: TVPP TVPA TVPY Cupones Vinculados al PBI
alexis escribió: Hoy me lleve en TVPY lo ultimo que necesitaba para llegar a los nominales que queria.
Espere bajas en Diciembre que nunca llegaron y ahora no me como ninguna suba mas.
mhausser escribió: Me pasó lo mismo que a vos con TVPP, desde 13,58 que espero la baja que no se da. Fui comprando poco a poco hasta 15, mirá como me fui comiendo las subas por esperar ese bendito descanso que no llegó. Igual el dia que invierta la liquidez que me quedó ... seguro que al siguiente se toma vacaciones (ojota que TVPP tiene acumuladas las de 2010 también ya que laburó subiendo todo el año)
Vengo comprando a distintos precios, cada vez mas caros y por ahora no le erre.
Como la mayoria, tengo margen para aguantar una agachada y recuperar.
De cualquier manera con las Tir en u$ de cualquier otro papel ninguno pasa el 10%, con cualquier proyeccion de precio de TVP, a precios de hoy minimo se triplica la rentabilidad del mas alto.

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alexis escribió: Hoy me lleve en TVPY lo ultimo que necesitaba para llegar a los nominales que queria.
Espere bajas en Diciembre que nunca llegaron y ahora no me como ninguna suba mas.
mhausser escribió:Me pasó lo mismo que a vos con TVPP, desde 13,58 que espero la baja que no se da. Fui comprando poco a poco hasta 15, mirá como me fui comiendo las subas por esperar ese bendito descanso que no llegó. Igual el dia que invierta la liquidez que me quedó ... seguro que al siguiente se toma vacaciones (ojota que TVPP tiene acumuladas las de 2010 también ya que laburó subiendo todo el año)
En lugar de hacer una encuesta sobre el valor futuro de los Cupones PBI para Diciembre 2011 y sus variables conexas, me parece mucho más útil, para poder guiarnos con una relativa seguridad sobre cuando aumentar nominales (para actualizar el nivel ya decidido de caución o reinvertir ingresos provenientes de otras rentas), proceder a efectuar una gran colecta cuponera y con lo recaudado (se necesita realmente bastante dinero) poder adquirir en forma colectiva una "bola de cristal", instrumento indispensable para predecir una baja en sus precios. He probado otros métodos, pero todos fracasaron.
Darío de Junín
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By Drew Benson
Jan. 5 (Bloomberg) -- Argentina’s move to restore ties with creditors and restructure $7 billion in defaulted debt will help its bonds beat most emerging markets for a third year, according to hedge fund Gramercy and Nomura Securities International Inc.
Argentine dollar bonds soared 35.8 percent last year, including reinvested interest, the best performance among developing nations in JPMorgan Chase & Co.’s EMBI+ Index, as President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner tapped central bank reserves to make debt payments and swapped defaulted bonds. The broader EMBI+ index returned 11.8 percent last year.
Benchmark dollar bonds yields that fell to 9.07 percent last year will drop more in 2011 as the government negotiates with its Paris Club creditors, according to Gramercy. The fund is “overweight” Argentina and expects the debt to rally as record-low interest rates in the U.S. and Europe spur demand for emerging-market assets, said Gunter Heiland, who helps manage more than $2.6 billion at the Greenwich, Connecticut-based firm.
“We still see plenty of juice there,” Heiland said.
“When everyone is buying, the higher-yielding stuff gets a boost in performance.”
The extra yield investors demand to own Argentine dollar bonds instead of U.S. Treasuries fell one basis point, or 0.01 percentage point, to 477 at 8:42 a.m. New York time, according to JPMorgan.
‘Reopen Investment’
Argentine Economy Minister Amado Boudou said Dec. 27 that the government will prioritize reaching an accord by April with the Paris Club over selling bonds abroad for the first time in a decade. He said Dec. 13 the move will “reopen investment” in Argentina. The first stage of negotiations, in which the two sides discuss how much is owed, is slated to be completed during the third week of this month, he said.
Argentina will “easily” outperform the EMBI+ index, as long as “the risk environment remains supportive,” said Boris Segura, a Latin America economist in New York with Nomura Securities, the U.S. unit of Tokyo-based brokerage Nomura Holdings Inc. “Long positions in Argentina are well justified,” he said.
Foreign direct investment in Argentina is among the lowest in South America’s major economies, totaling $2.2 billion in the first half of 2010 compared with $17.1 billion in Brazil, $8 billion in Chile, $4.1 billion in Colombia and $3.4 billion in Peru, according to the Santiago-based United Nations Economic Commission for Latin America.
The peso declined 4.5 percent last year to 3.9787 per U.S.
dollar after falling to 3.9882 on Nov. 30, the weakest level since the currency’s inception in 1992. The peso was little changed today at 3.9714 per dollar.
Spreads Narrow
The yield on benchmark dollar bonds due in December 2033 fell 219 basis points, or 2.19 percentage points, last year to
9.07 percent, according to Bloomberg prices. The yield climbed as high as 13.46 percent on May 25 amid concern about the European debt crisis.
The cost of insuring Argentine bonds against default for five years tumbled 314 basis points, or 34 percent, to 602 last year, the biggest decline among 19 emerging markets tracked by Bloomberg and lower than Ireland, according to CMA DataVision.
Credit-default swaps pay the buyer face value in exchange for the underlying securities or the cash equivalent should a government or company fail to comply with debt agreements.
Argentina’s swaps fell 22 basis points to 560 yesterday.
Financing Needs
The Paris Club, whose members include Germany, Japan and the U.S., is an informal association created in 1956 to help resolve Argentina’s debt problems, according to the organization’s website. It has since reached agreements with 88 different debtor countries.
Fernandez plans to tap $7.5 billion from the central bank’s record $52 billion in foreign reserves this year to cover debt obligations, according to her 2011 federal budget.
South America’s second-biggest economy will likely expand 5 percent this year after growing 8.6 percent in 2010, according to Morgan Stanley. The government needs about $8 billion in financing in 2011 and will likely post a budget surplus equal to
0.8 percent of gross domestic product, compared with a 0.1 percent deficit last year, according to Morgan Stanley.
“If you look at Argentina’s financing needs, its willingness to pay and its fiscal accounts, it’s still positive,” said Sabrina Corujo, an analyst at Buenos Aires- based online brokerage Portfolio Personal, which says it’s the country’s biggest trader of securitized trust funds. “The list of positives for Argentina is bigger than the negatives, and that will allow spreads to continue to fall.”
Presidential Election
Debt prices may be more volatile during the second half of the year on concern a candidate who would hurt the business environment will win the presidential election in October, Corujo said. The bonds’ advance will also be smaller this year after they surged the past two years, she said. Argentine dollar debt climbed 133 percent in 2009, compared with 26 percent for the EMBI+ index, according to JPMorgan.
Argentina’s five-year swaps will likely fall another 100 basis points this year, said Igor Arsenin, a debt strategist with Credit Suisse Group AG in New York. Spreads may narrow further should the next government adopt more business-friendly policies and address inflation reporting problems, he said in a phone interview.
Fernandez invited officials from the International Monetary Fund to Buenos Aires last month to help the national statistics agency revamp its consumer price index. Annual inflation is running above 25 percent, according to estimates by Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Credit Suisse, more than double the 11 percent the government reported last month. The IMF said Dec. 16 that it expects to make its final recommendations in April.
“There is a possibility for Argentine spreads to compress significantly more,” Arsenin said, “but it’s very conditional on the political outcome at this point.”
abrazo
salva +3
Jan. 5 (Bloomberg) -- Argentina’s move to restore ties with creditors and restructure $7 billion in defaulted debt will help its bonds beat most emerging markets for a third year, according to hedge fund Gramercy and Nomura Securities International Inc.
Argentine dollar bonds soared 35.8 percent last year, including reinvested interest, the best performance among developing nations in JPMorgan Chase & Co.’s EMBI+ Index, as President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner tapped central bank reserves to make debt payments and swapped defaulted bonds. The broader EMBI+ index returned 11.8 percent last year.
Benchmark dollar bonds yields that fell to 9.07 percent last year will drop more in 2011 as the government negotiates with its Paris Club creditors, according to Gramercy. The fund is “overweight” Argentina and expects the debt to rally as record-low interest rates in the U.S. and Europe spur demand for emerging-market assets, said Gunter Heiland, who helps manage more than $2.6 billion at the Greenwich, Connecticut-based firm.
“We still see plenty of juice there,” Heiland said.
“When everyone is buying, the higher-yielding stuff gets a boost in performance.”
The extra yield investors demand to own Argentine dollar bonds instead of U.S. Treasuries fell one basis point, or 0.01 percentage point, to 477 at 8:42 a.m. New York time, according to JPMorgan.
‘Reopen Investment’
Argentine Economy Minister Amado Boudou said Dec. 27 that the government will prioritize reaching an accord by April with the Paris Club over selling bonds abroad for the first time in a decade. He said Dec. 13 the move will “reopen investment” in Argentina. The first stage of negotiations, in which the two sides discuss how much is owed, is slated to be completed during the third week of this month, he said.
Argentina will “easily” outperform the EMBI+ index, as long as “the risk environment remains supportive,” said Boris Segura, a Latin America economist in New York with Nomura Securities, the U.S. unit of Tokyo-based brokerage Nomura Holdings Inc. “Long positions in Argentina are well justified,” he said.
Foreign direct investment in Argentina is among the lowest in South America’s major economies, totaling $2.2 billion in the first half of 2010 compared with $17.1 billion in Brazil, $8 billion in Chile, $4.1 billion in Colombia and $3.4 billion in Peru, according to the Santiago-based United Nations Economic Commission for Latin America.
The peso declined 4.5 percent last year to 3.9787 per U.S.
dollar after falling to 3.9882 on Nov. 30, the weakest level since the currency’s inception in 1992. The peso was little changed today at 3.9714 per dollar.
Spreads Narrow
The yield on benchmark dollar bonds due in December 2033 fell 219 basis points, or 2.19 percentage points, last year to
9.07 percent, according to Bloomberg prices. The yield climbed as high as 13.46 percent on May 25 amid concern about the European debt crisis.
The cost of insuring Argentine bonds against default for five years tumbled 314 basis points, or 34 percent, to 602 last year, the biggest decline among 19 emerging markets tracked by Bloomberg and lower than Ireland, according to CMA DataVision.
Credit-default swaps pay the buyer face value in exchange for the underlying securities or the cash equivalent should a government or company fail to comply with debt agreements.
Argentina’s swaps fell 22 basis points to 560 yesterday.
Financing Needs
The Paris Club, whose members include Germany, Japan and the U.S., is an informal association created in 1956 to help resolve Argentina’s debt problems, according to the organization’s website. It has since reached agreements with 88 different debtor countries.
Fernandez plans to tap $7.5 billion from the central bank’s record $52 billion in foreign reserves this year to cover debt obligations, according to her 2011 federal budget.
South America’s second-biggest economy will likely expand 5 percent this year after growing 8.6 percent in 2010, according to Morgan Stanley. The government needs about $8 billion in financing in 2011 and will likely post a budget surplus equal to
0.8 percent of gross domestic product, compared with a 0.1 percent deficit last year, according to Morgan Stanley.
“If you look at Argentina’s financing needs, its willingness to pay and its fiscal accounts, it’s still positive,” said Sabrina Corujo, an analyst at Buenos Aires- based online brokerage Portfolio Personal, which says it’s the country’s biggest trader of securitized trust funds. “The list of positives for Argentina is bigger than the negatives, and that will allow spreads to continue to fall.”
Presidential Election
Debt prices may be more volatile during the second half of the year on concern a candidate who would hurt the business environment will win the presidential election in October, Corujo said. The bonds’ advance will also be smaller this year after they surged the past two years, she said. Argentine dollar debt climbed 133 percent in 2009, compared with 26 percent for the EMBI+ index, according to JPMorgan.
Argentina’s five-year swaps will likely fall another 100 basis points this year, said Igor Arsenin, a debt strategist with Credit Suisse Group AG in New York. Spreads may narrow further should the next government adopt more business-friendly policies and address inflation reporting problems, he said in a phone interview.
Fernandez invited officials from the International Monetary Fund to Buenos Aires last month to help the national statistics agency revamp its consumer price index. Annual inflation is running above 25 percent, according to estimates by Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Credit Suisse, more than double the 11 percent the government reported last month. The IMF said Dec. 16 that it expects to make its final recommendations in April.
“There is a possibility for Argentine spreads to compress significantly more,” Arsenin said, “but it’s very conditional on the political outcome at this point.”
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