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Crude Mystery: Where Did 800,000 Barrels of Oil Go?
Tally of unaccounted-for oil hit highest level in 17 years in 2015; oil data is ‘an imperfect science’
Crude oil is unloaded from an oil carrier at the Port of Zhoushan in Zhoushan, China. Photo: Imaginechina/Corbis
By
Georgi Kantchev
Updated March 17, 2016 9:12 p.m. ET
There is mystery at the heart of the oversupplied global oil market: missing barrels of crude.
Last year, there were 800,000 barrels of oil a day unaccounted for by the International Energy Agency, the energy monitor that puts together data on crude supply and demand. Where these barrels ended up, or if they even existed, is key to an oil market that remains under pressure from the glut in crude.
Some analysts say the barrels may be in China. Others believe the barrels were created by flawed accounting and they don’t actually exist. If they don’t exist, then the oversupply that has driven crude prices to decade lows could be much smaller than estimated and prices could rebound faster.
Whatever the answer, the discrepancy underscores how oil prices flip around based on data that investors are often unsure of.
Barrels have gone missing before, but last year the tally of unaccounted-for oil grew to its highest level in 17 years. At a time when the issue of oversupply dominates the oil industry, this matters.
Here’s how a barrel of crude goes “missing” in the data. Last year, the IEA estimated that on average the world produced around 1.9 million barrels a day more crude than there was demand for. Of that crude, 770,000 barrels went into onshore storage while roughly 300,000 barrels were in transit on the seas or through pipelines. That left roughly 800,000 barrels a day unaccounted for in the data. Global oil supply is about 96 million barrels a day.
In the fourth quarter, the number of missing barrels reached as high as 1.1 million barrels a day, or 43% of the estimated oversupply during that period.
The IEA collates production and demand data from around the world, and its monthly reports often move prices. Other major market monitors, like the U.S. Energy Information Administration and the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, don’t break down their data to show the number of missing barrels.
In 1998, the last time the number of missing barrels was so high, concern over the discrepancy reached the U.S. Congress. A U.S. senator asked the Government Accountability Office, a nonpartisan agency working for Congress, to examine the IEA data. The agency found that “[statistical] limitations can introduce errors into the data, although the magnitude and direction of these errors are not clear.”
That is what most analysts think.
“The most likely explanation for the majority of the missing barrels is simply that they do not exist,” said Paul Horsnell, an oil analyst at Standard Chartered. STAN 6.69 %
Standard Chartered projects U.S. crude averaging $63 a barrel in the fourth quarter, an above-consensus forecast that has been shaped partly by the bank’s belief that the glut is smaller than it seems. The average forecast among 13 investment banks surveyed by The Wall Street Journal last month was oil at $45 a barrel by the end of the year.
West Texas Intermediate crude, the U.S. benchmark, rose $1.74 a barrel, or 4.5%, to $40.20 on Thursday, giving it a two-day gain of 11%. Brent, the international gauge, rose $1.21 a barrel, or 3%, to $41.54.
‘If the market is tighter than assumed due to the missing barrels, prices could spike quicker.’
—David Pursell
A spokesman for the IEA referred to the agency’s website, which says that the barrels’ “miscellaneous to balance” could be explained by overstated supply, understated demand or stockpile changes in countries outside the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development.
While the IEA estimates supply and demand from global data, its numbers on where the oversupply is being stockpiled come only from members of the OECD. That means that some of those barrels might be found in non-OECD countries like China.
Some analysts disagree. The missing barrels have become such a large proportion of the oversupply that this would imply that stockpiles are building up in non-OECD countries at a much faster pace than those in the organization, something that they question.
Analysts also point out that collecting data on oil is hard.
Tally of unaccounted-for oil hit highest level in 17 years in 2015; oil data is ‘an imperfect science’
Crude oil is unloaded from an oil carrier at the Port of Zhoushan in Zhoushan, China. Photo: Imaginechina/Corbis
By
Georgi Kantchev
Updated March 17, 2016 9:12 p.m. ET
There is mystery at the heart of the oversupplied global oil market: missing barrels of crude.
Last year, there were 800,000 barrels of oil a day unaccounted for by the International Energy Agency, the energy monitor that puts together data on crude supply and demand. Where these barrels ended up, or if they even existed, is key to an oil market that remains under pressure from the glut in crude.
Some analysts say the barrels may be in China. Others believe the barrels were created by flawed accounting and they don’t actually exist. If they don’t exist, then the oversupply that has driven crude prices to decade lows could be much smaller than estimated and prices could rebound faster.
Whatever the answer, the discrepancy underscores how oil prices flip around based on data that investors are often unsure of.
Barrels have gone missing before, but last year the tally of unaccounted-for oil grew to its highest level in 17 years. At a time when the issue of oversupply dominates the oil industry, this matters.
Here’s how a barrel of crude goes “missing” in the data. Last year, the IEA estimated that on average the world produced around 1.9 million barrels a day more crude than there was demand for. Of that crude, 770,000 barrels went into onshore storage while roughly 300,000 barrels were in transit on the seas or through pipelines. That left roughly 800,000 barrels a day unaccounted for in the data. Global oil supply is about 96 million barrels a day.
In the fourth quarter, the number of missing barrels reached as high as 1.1 million barrels a day, or 43% of the estimated oversupply during that period.
The IEA collates production and demand data from around the world, and its monthly reports often move prices. Other major market monitors, like the U.S. Energy Information Administration and the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, don’t break down their data to show the number of missing barrels.
In 1998, the last time the number of missing barrels was so high, concern over the discrepancy reached the U.S. Congress. A U.S. senator asked the Government Accountability Office, a nonpartisan agency working for Congress, to examine the IEA data. The agency found that “[statistical] limitations can introduce errors into the data, although the magnitude and direction of these errors are not clear.”
That is what most analysts think.
“The most likely explanation for the majority of the missing barrels is simply that they do not exist,” said Paul Horsnell, an oil analyst at Standard Chartered. STAN 6.69 %
Standard Chartered projects U.S. crude averaging $63 a barrel in the fourth quarter, an above-consensus forecast that has been shaped partly by the bank’s belief that the glut is smaller than it seems. The average forecast among 13 investment banks surveyed by The Wall Street Journal last month was oil at $45 a barrel by the end of the year.
West Texas Intermediate crude, the U.S. benchmark, rose $1.74 a barrel, or 4.5%, to $40.20 on Thursday, giving it a two-day gain of 11%. Brent, the international gauge, rose $1.21 a barrel, or 3%, to $41.54.
‘If the market is tighter than assumed due to the missing barrels, prices could spike quicker.’
—David Pursell
A spokesman for the IEA referred to the agency’s website, which says that the barrels’ “miscellaneous to balance” could be explained by overstated supply, understated demand or stockpile changes in countries outside the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development.
While the IEA estimates supply and demand from global data, its numbers on where the oversupply is being stockpiled come only from members of the OECD. That means that some of those barrels might be found in non-OECD countries like China.
Some analysts disagree. The missing barrels have become such a large proportion of the oversupply that this would imply that stockpiles are building up in non-OECD countries at a much faster pace than those in the organization, something that they question.
Analysts also point out that collecting data on oil is hard.
Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil
mr. cuervo escribió:Si todos esperan un lunespor el balance, pbr te hace un doble
... Esta acción juega al revés de lo que indica el manual
A mi me empomo varias veces, pero como buen adicto bursátil volví con call. Y esta vez apuesto a que con el balance sube
Para mi el balance no es problema, creo que el tema esta es que salga alguna noticia tanto POSITIVA (para nosotros), como NEGATIVA este finde. Si el mar esta tranquilo este finde y el real sigue ganando fuerza, que ademas tenemos la suerte que el anuncio de la Reserva Federal nos ayudo bastante.
Por ahora seguimos
OIL
Real neutro por ahora
Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil
Me parece que va camino a los 8 dol que mencionaba tanque
Dopo vemos
Dopo vemos
Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil
5,90 en el pre....
hoy no va a ser facil la bolsa....
hoy no va a ser facil la bolsa....
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barberarub
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El pre en usa 4.5 % arriba
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mr. cuervo
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Si todos esperan un lunes
por el balance, pbr te hace un doble
... Esta acción juega al revés de lo que indica el manual
A mi me empomo varias veces, pero como buen adicto bursátil volví con call. Y esta vez apuesto a que con el balance sube
A mi me empomo varias veces, pero como buen adicto bursátil volví con call. Y esta vez apuesto a que con el balance sube
Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil
mr. cuervo escribió:Si todos esperan un lunespor el balance, pbr te hace un doble
... Esta acción juega al revés de lo que indica el manual
A mi me empomo varias veces, pero como buen adicto bursátil volví con call. Y esta vez apuesto a que con el balance sube
Es que se va a mirar un balance con un real a 4 y hoy está 3,60 lo cual implica una mejora importante en sus resultados financieros.
Como dijo tordo los otros días si con un posible cambio de gobierno en las elecciones pasadas estuvo a 20 dol y hoy vale casi 6 mira si tiene margen para subir
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mr. cuervo escribió:Si todos esperan un lunespor el balance, pbr te hace un doble
... Esta acción juega al revés de lo que indica el manual
A mi me empomo varias veces, pero como buen adicto bursátil volví con call. Y esta vez apuesto a que con el balance sube
Me acuerdo exactamente hace un año cuando se fue a diez post balance
Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil
Esta accion se mueve por la politica en estos ultimos años, es dificil predecir el dia a día, a la larga ve a subir mucho mucho, el tema es saber si ya comenzo la suba o volvera al pozo para luego arrancar, si estas comprado quedate, sino espara una baja para entrar. y mientras tanto pondria la guita en Pampa, es mi opinion, saludos p todos
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mr. cuervo
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Si todos esperan un lunes
por el balance, pbr te hace un doble
... Esta acción juega al revés de lo que indica el manual
A mi me empomo varias veces, pero como buen adicto bursátil volví con call. Y esta vez apuesto a que con el balance sube
A mi me empomo varias veces, pero como buen adicto bursátil volví con call. Y esta vez apuesto a que con el balance sube
Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil
Siempre es imposible predecir qué pasará. La tradición indica que "nunca hay que estar comprado antes de la presentación de un balance" pero, en este caso, con tanto ruido de fondo, pienso que el precio del papel ya lleva descontado el resultado del balance porque es muy probable que se hayan filtrado sus datos. Ahora el oil sube, así que de la mano de este driver y del movimiento que hagan los índices americanos, se moverá también el ADR. Vaticino un cierre de rueda con +4/5%. Saludos.
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mr. cuervo escribió:Si sufrís ante la baja pone un plazo fijo, y más si apostas a pbr. Esta juega con el humor político de Brasil. Cuando Marina fue al ballotage llegó a 120. Probablemente los rumores de destitución la lleven a esos niveles
Entonces mantengo la posición que tengo tomada (el 50%) original con el que entre y que se vaya Dilma nomas
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Bochaterow
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hcjuan escribió:En la anterior suba.. Compre put.. Al día siguiente bajo 8 % y adivinen qué? En vez de subir el precio bajaba.. Todos vendían...salí en pérdida del 30% cuando la baja fue tremenda...
EL PUT ERA CARO CUANDO LO COMPRASTE HAY QUE VER LA VOLATIBILIDAD QUE COMPRASTE NO ES CUESTION DE COMPRAR CUALQUIER COSA CAPAZ QUE COMPRASTE UN PUT QUE ESTA SUPER SOBREVALUADO POR UNA CUESTION DE CUPO COMO PUT DE 11 GALICIA O EL CALL DE 4,90 COME
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mr. cuervo
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PMB escribió:Soy muy nuevo en esto de la bolsa. Entre en APBR comprando a 24 y pico...el Martes conme cague y vendí la mitad de mi posicion de APBR. El miercoles y ayer con la
me quería matar. La pregunta, es ¿recompro? ¿recompro y toma mas postura de la que ya tenia?
Alguin experimentado que me tire un centro
Si sufrís ante la baja pone un plazo fijo, y más si apostas a pbr. Esta juega con el humor político de Brasil. Cuando Marina fue al ballotage llegó a 120. Probablemente los rumores de destitución la lleven a esos niveles
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