VALE Vale
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Vale: Playing With Fire
Jun. 28, 2015 3:35 AM ET | 7 comments | About: Vale S.A. (VALE)
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Summary
Vale could sell up to 30% of its base metals business in an IPO.
The company also could make a $1.5 billion asset sale in Brazil.
Vale is placing a huge bet on S11D, and this strategy is very risky.
When I last wrote about Vale (NYSE: VALE), I stated that the company became hostage of its expansion plans. Vale needs funds to finance its crucial S11D project at times when iron ore prices are under serious pressure. Copper and nickel prices have also declined recently. The optimism in Vale's shares at the beginning of May proved to be short-lived, and the shares of the Brazilian giant declined despite the fact that iron ore prices were steady.
The recent news confirmed Vale's absolute concentration on S11D. In May, Vale signed a $3 billion credit facility, bringing the total amount of available credit to $5 billion. Recently, Vale stated that it expected to raise $1.5 billion from the asset sale in Brazil. Also, Vale is looking to sell up to 30% in the base metals IPO. It is evident that Vale is trying to raise cash from all available sources. Vale stated that the vision of doing the IPO was to create value rather than to raise cash, but I take this statement with a grain of salt.
In the first quarter, Vale's operating cash flow was $531 million, down from $1.2 billion in the fourth quarter of 2014 and $4 billion in the first quarter of 2014. The company finished the first quarter with $3.7 billion cash on hand. Add this cash to $5 billion of available credit and we get total available liquidity of $8.7 billion. This might look like a big number, but Vale still has to make significant investment in S11D. Vale has already spent $6.88 billion on S11D, and will commit $9.48 billion more. In this light, the available liquidity does not look that big, hence the proposed asset sale and the possible IPO of base metals segment.
Vale's strategy, just like the strategy of other big miners, have always been risky. Recent developments highlights this risk - Vale has already cut its dividend is has to sell assets in order to finance its iron ore expansion. Earlier this year, Vale has sold an additional 25% gold stream from its Salobo mine to Silver Wheaton (NYSE: SLW) for $900 million. I have little doubt that Vale will successfully start S11D. After all, the company still has assets to sale and can cut or eliminate the dividend. The question that must be of great interest to any potential investors is how the start of S11D will affect iron ore prices. The project's capacity is 90 million tons per year - a huge number for the troubled market.
All in all, Vale's shares might seem cheap, but they are cheap for a reason. In my view, there is a huge uncertainty over the outcome of Vale's aggressive iron ore strategy. All news from the company point to the fact that it needs more cash to finish the expansion project. I reiterate my previous view that Vale's shares will fluctuate around current levels, and that these fluctuations could be significant.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/3288245 ... of=45&dr=1
Jun. 28, 2015 3:35 AM ET | 7 comments | About: Vale S.A. (VALE)
Disclosure: I/we have no positions in any stocks mentioned, and no plans to initiate any positions within the next 72 hours. (More...)
Summary
Vale could sell up to 30% of its base metals business in an IPO.
The company also could make a $1.5 billion asset sale in Brazil.
Vale is placing a huge bet on S11D, and this strategy is very risky.
When I last wrote about Vale (NYSE: VALE), I stated that the company became hostage of its expansion plans. Vale needs funds to finance its crucial S11D project at times when iron ore prices are under serious pressure. Copper and nickel prices have also declined recently. The optimism in Vale's shares at the beginning of May proved to be short-lived, and the shares of the Brazilian giant declined despite the fact that iron ore prices were steady.
The recent news confirmed Vale's absolute concentration on S11D. In May, Vale signed a $3 billion credit facility, bringing the total amount of available credit to $5 billion. Recently, Vale stated that it expected to raise $1.5 billion from the asset sale in Brazil. Also, Vale is looking to sell up to 30% in the base metals IPO. It is evident that Vale is trying to raise cash from all available sources. Vale stated that the vision of doing the IPO was to create value rather than to raise cash, but I take this statement with a grain of salt.
In the first quarter, Vale's operating cash flow was $531 million, down from $1.2 billion in the fourth quarter of 2014 and $4 billion in the first quarter of 2014. The company finished the first quarter with $3.7 billion cash on hand. Add this cash to $5 billion of available credit and we get total available liquidity of $8.7 billion. This might look like a big number, but Vale still has to make significant investment in S11D. Vale has already spent $6.88 billion on S11D, and will commit $9.48 billion more. In this light, the available liquidity does not look that big, hence the proposed asset sale and the possible IPO of base metals segment.
Vale's strategy, just like the strategy of other big miners, have always been risky. Recent developments highlights this risk - Vale has already cut its dividend is has to sell assets in order to finance its iron ore expansion. Earlier this year, Vale has sold an additional 25% gold stream from its Salobo mine to Silver Wheaton (NYSE: SLW) for $900 million. I have little doubt that Vale will successfully start S11D. After all, the company still has assets to sale and can cut or eliminate the dividend. The question that must be of great interest to any potential investors is how the start of S11D will affect iron ore prices. The project's capacity is 90 million tons per year - a huge number for the troubled market.
All in all, Vale's shares might seem cheap, but they are cheap for a reason. In my view, there is a huge uncertainty over the outcome of Vale's aggressive iron ore strategy. All news from the company point to the fact that it needs more cash to finish the expansion project. I reiterate my previous view that Vale's shares will fluctuate around current levels, and that these fluctuations could be significant.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/3288245 ... of=45&dr=1
Re: VALE Vale
Jaja zorro querido por favor así que vos sabias como terminaba lo de Grecia?
Hoy comí en en mismo resto en brujas que el año pasado y en dólares esta baratísimo
Hay que pagar exportadores griegos se van a forrar
Hoy comí en en mismo resto en brujas que el año pasado y en dólares esta baratísimo
Hay que pagar exportadores griegos se van a forrar
Re: VALE Vale
bueno ,
el empujón que faltaba.
el empujón que faltaba.
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2.10
el euro me cago en los pu tos griegos jaja

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ME CAGO EN GRECIA , ESTA NO ME PREOCUPA TANTO PERO TENGO UNA FUERTE POSICION EN STD
EL VIENES CUANDO VI LA NOTICIA POR EL VANER SALTE A LA MAQUINA Y LIQUIDE NBG A PERDIDA Y PUDE LLEVAR VXX A 17,40 POR LA MISMA GUITA . GRIEGOS TROLOS NO SE DEJARON HACER DUNGA POR LOS ALEMANES
EL VIENES CUANDO VI LA NOTICIA POR EL VANER SALTE A LA MAQUINA Y LIQUIDE NBG A PERDIDA Y PUDE LLEVAR VXX A 17,40 POR LA MISMA GUITA . GRIEGOS TROLOS NO SE DEJARON HACER DUNGA POR LOS ALEMANES

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ahg1976 escribió:Hola.
Este es mi primer análisis, veo un triángulo descendente quebrado que puede tener como objetivo de muy corto 5,50, y desde ahí salir fuertemente.
Estoy comprado y voy de mediano plazo, como la ven?
Gracias y perdón a los experimentedos si es muy básico, pero es mi primer análisis y agradecería me lo corrijan.
es una posibilidad concreta colega.
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Hola.
Este es mi primer análisis, veo un triángulo descendente quebrado que puede tener como objetivo de muy corto 5,50, y desde ahí salir fuertemente.
Estoy comprado y voy de mediano plazo, como la ven?
Gracias y perdón a los experimentedos si es muy básico, pero es mi primer análisis y agradecería me lo corrijan.
Este es mi primer análisis, veo un triángulo descendente quebrado que puede tener como objetivo de muy corto 5,50, y desde ahí salir fuertemente.
Estoy comprado y voy de mediano plazo, como la ven?
Gracias y perdón a los experimentedos si es muy básico, pero es mi primer análisis y agradecería me lo corrijan.
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bolsita1 escribió:CHAU GRECIA , 2 REFLEXIONES
TODO DESCONTADO Y SALEN A PONER EL PECHO EN SINTOMA "ME DUELE PERO ME LA BANCO" O SE HACE CREMA TODO
Puede haber algún susto, en mi opinión, está descontado. El euro no mostró pánico.
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Valiant:
a fin de Abril Murilo ya anunciaba esto en el conference call de Vale, ahora, con tiempo de confirmar datos, lo repite, ya no es audacia, algo debe saber.
Te mande mail.
a fin de Abril Murilo ya anunciaba esto en el conference call de Vale, ahora, con tiempo de confirmar datos, lo repite, ya no es audacia, algo debe saber.
Te mande mail.
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y perdón por el of
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Gracias Valiant, lo de que es un papel para hacer tasas viene de hace años. Ojalá la cosa cambié con el lavado de cara que le han hecho a la empresa. De todas formas, hace un par de semanas estoy fuera del mercado. Veremos cómo sigue todo.
Gracias y saludos Valiant.
Gracias y saludos Valiant.

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Re: VALE Vale
internaron a joaquim levy 

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sabrina escribió:chas gracias Valiant. De verdad me interesa tu punto de vista.
Saludos,
S.
sabrina,es probable que come se haya transformado en el tipico papel de lanzamiento.
si fuera el caso se procede periodicamente a inflarlo para lanzar y desinflarlo para los vencimientos.
el mercado local corre el riesgo de que se consolide la dupla scioli-zannini en las encuestas ,lo cual sería nefasto para la renta variable.
ojalá esto no suceda y las chances opositoras se incrementen.
saludos.
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chas gracias Valiant. De verdad me interesa tu punto de vista.
Saludos,
S.
Saludos,
S.
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sabrina escribió:[quote="valiantel grafico de san pablo pinta más bajista que el de wall street.
me abstuve de agregar más esperando que continúe la corrección.
veremos.[/quot
VALIANT, hola, cómo ves a COME?
tendría que ver el grafico colega.
despues me fijo,hoy estuve todo el dia con otras ocupaciones.
un saludo.
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