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empome
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dejen de llorar y echarle la culpa a otro de sus malas deciones
acuerdense de lo que les digo
cuando vean volar al dolar paralelo y vean bajando a los bancos y acciones de servicios
compren indupa
hablo de subas superiores al 70 % del dolar paralelo
que se creen que se puede gobernar con el garrote toda la vida
no se olviden que en 1989 cayo el muro de berlin
acuerdense de lo que les digo
cuando vean volar al dolar paralelo y vean bajando a los bancos y acciones de servicios
compren indupa
hablo de subas superiores al 70 % del dolar paralelo
que se creen que se puede gobernar con el garrote toda la vida
no se olviden que en 1989 cayo el muro de berlin
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empome
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yo creo que cuando vuele el dolar paralelo este es el papel
esperen a despues de navidad y van a ver
esperen a despues de navidad y van a ver
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33alrio
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LordStocks. Lo que puedo ofrecer, es mi tiempo físico para que mas aya de ubicar a ZUCHOVIKI tengamos una entrevista o reunión con el para informarle cual es nuestra posicion hoy frente a tantos reveses que nos fueron perjudicando desde los mismo organismos que se supuesta mente deberían resguardar nuestros interese
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33alrio
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LordStcks si tenes forma de mandarle toda esa informacion que le mandaste a estos dosssssssss pelot...., mandársela a CLAUDIO ZUCHOCIKI , seria genial, no solo por la info que el mismo maneja si no por que es uno de los pocos que ademas de tenerlas, normalmente las pone sobre la mesa, No se como sera ahora con vanoli a la cabeza, pero este año el hablo de indu por radio el mundo y lo hizo con dureza. Te comento sobre si tenes forma de hacerlo por que yo no se mandar ni un mail y no me tiro a chanta, por que cuando empezó el gran empome yo siempre insistí con reunirnos frente a la CNV a protestar por que para mi era lo mas efectivo y nunca lo concretamos por no encontrar eco a mis pedidos y que nadie se sienta herido de susceptibilidades, por que me importa tres caraj.s Te saludo y gracias por tu tiempo
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LordStocks
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luisao escribió:Muy buen mensaje LordStocks ... grandes verdades les pusiste en el mensaje q les dejaste, gran poder de sintesis ...
Si ellos no lo quieren difundir , x miedo a ciertos intereses, ya va a haber oportunidad de q lo q decis en el mensaje, se haga público , y cuando esto pase , el valor de la acción va a ser otro , mucho mas alto , claro...
Espero que la gente de Mexichem , nos compre !!!
COMO LO SUPONIA, LOS LOCUTORES DE RADIO DISNEY DE RECINTO BIRTUAL, BORRARON TODOS MIS MENSAJES Y CRITICAS DESDE SU FACEBOOK...,
OTROS QUE LA CNV............., ASI ESTAMOS.
CMO DIJO EL GRAN FACUNDO CABRAL : ...., "TENGAN CUIDADO CON LOS *******....., SON MAYORIA."
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luisao
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Muy buen mensaje LordStocks ... grandes verdades les pusiste en el mensaje q les dejaste, gran poder de sintesis ...
Si ellos no lo quieren difundir , x miedo a ciertos intereses, ya va a haber oportunidad de q lo q decis en el mensaje, se haga público , y cuando esto pase , el valor de la acción va a ser otro , mucho mas alto , claro...
Espero que la gente de Mexichem , nos compre !!!
Si ellos no lo quieren difundir , x miedo a ciertos intereses, ya va a haber oportunidad de q lo q decis en el mensaje, se haga público , y cuando esto pase , el valor de la acción va a ser otro , mucho mas alto , claro...
Espero que la gente de Mexichem , nos compre !!!
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33alrio
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LordStocks OOOOOOORALE MI CUAAAATEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeee

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LordStocks
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YO HICE MI DESCARGO EN SU PAGINA DE FACEBOOK, https://www.facebook.com/recintovirtual
LOS INVITO A QUE OPINEN, IGUALMENTE LO VAN A CENSURAR..
ACA EL MENSAJE QUE LES DEJE:
" UNA VERGUENZA, SU INFORME DE INDUPA, Y HABLO POR MUCHA GENTE INVERSORA, Y MINORITARIOS QUE OPINAN LO MISMO.
SOLO DIJIERON LO QUE YA SE SABIA Y ESTA EN DIARIOS HACE MESES..., SE NOTA QUE NO TIENEN IDEA DE VALUACIONES Y OPAS.., LAS OPAS SE PAGAN x2 x3 e INCLUSO MAS SU VL, Y SE VE SU POTENCIONAL FUTURO!!!!!!, NO SU PASADO!!!!!!
MIREN LAS OPAS, DE ALPARGATAS, ACINDAR,.. ETC, y CUANTO SE PAGO!!!..., Y OTRAS TANTAS...., EN PEOR SITUACION QUE INDUPA
ANALICEN UN POCO.., PARECIAN ANALISTAS DE DE RADIO DISNEY...,
INDUPA COTIZA A SU VALOR LIBRO, MAS QUE BARATO
MIREN POLLEDO, CECO2, EDENOR, METROGAS, COME, TODAS DANDO PERDIDAS HACE ANIOS, Y COTIZANDO X4, x5, x6 , x10 SU VL.
EL 90% DE LAS ACCIONES COTIZAN HOY a x2, x3 SU VALOR LIBRO EN PROMEDIO. O NO LO SABIAN
INFORMACION, PARA QUE APRENDAN UN POQUITO...:
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INDUPA MEJORO NOTABLEMENTE SUS MARGENES DE GANANCIA Y PRODUCCIÓN ESTE ANIO, EN LOS 2 PRIMEROS TRIMESTRES..., LO FAVORECE NOTABLEMENTE EL DOLAR LOCAL, Y LA DEVALUACION DEL REAL..
SABEN QUE LA DEUDA DE INDUPA ES EN REALES, Y QUE EXPORTA SUS PRODUCTOS ?
LA PERDIDA DE ESTE TRIMESTRE SE DEBE A QUE LA PLANTA DE BRAZIL ESTUVO SIN FUNCIONAR 1 MES ENTERO, LO HACEN CADA 6 ANIOS, PARA MANTENIMIENTO.
ADEMAS DE QUE EL PRECIO DEL ETILENO ESTABA POR LAS NUBES.., EL 4T DEBERIA SER MUCHO MEJOR, POR LA BAJA DEL PRECIO DEL PETROLEO. Y HAY DIVIDENDOS PENDIENTES POR LAS CONDONACIONES DE DEUDA DE ESTE ANIO POR MAS de 170 MILLONES DE PESOS, O NO LO SABIAN ??
SABIAN QUE VA A FORMAR PARTE DEL PROGRAMA DE INVERSION DE VACA MUERTA.., EL POLO DE BAHIA BLANCA ??
SABEN DONDE QUEDAN LAS FABRICAS. ??
SABEN QUE EL PRECIO DEL PVC INTERNACIONAL SUBIO CONSIDERABLEMENTE,
SABEN QUE EL ANSES TIENE EL 17% DE LAS ACCIONES Y NO VAN A VENDER NI SIQUIERA AL x2 DE SU VL, PORQUE ES UN PRECIO DE ESTAFA ?
SABEN QUE LOS TRIMESTRES ANTERIORES TRAJERON PERDIDA POR LOS INTERESES DE DEUDA, Y LOS ALTOS COSTOS..., ?? O NO SABEN QUE EXISTE INFLACION EN ARGENTINA??
SABEN QUE EN EL 2008, CUANDO EXPLOTO LA CRISIS, INDUPA IBA A COTIZAR EN LA BOLSA DE BRAZIL, A UN PRECIO DE SUBSCRIPCION DE 2 DOLARES POR ACCION ???
SABIAN QUE HUBO 2 VALUACIONES ENVIADAS A LA CNV, POR IMPORTANTES CONSULTORAS
A PRINCIPIO DE ANIO, POR 7.50$, y otra por 9.40$ ?? CUANDO EL DOLAR ERA de 8 ?, Y SEGUIA SIENDO UN PRECIO MAS QUE BARATO.
SABEN QUE CUESTA 600 MILLONES DE DOLARES HACER UNA FABRICA DE PVC.. ?? y QUE LO QUE OFERTARON POR 2 PLANTAS.. FUE LA MITAD ??
TENGO MUCHA MAS INFORMACION..., PERO NO LOS QUIERO MAREAR...., A VER SI SALEN DICIENDO QUE INDUPA SE DEDICA A LA VENTA DE HELADO.
HAGANSE UN FAVOR... SI VAN A REPETIR LO QUE DICEN LOS DIARIOS., SIN FUNDAMENTOS Y ANALISIS EN SERIO. CALLENSE LA BOCA..., DIO SIMPLEMENTE "ASCO" EL PROGRAMA. "
LOS INVITO A QUE OPINEN, IGUALMENTE LO VAN A CENSURAR..
ACA EL MENSAJE QUE LES DEJE:
" UNA VERGUENZA, SU INFORME DE INDUPA, Y HABLO POR MUCHA GENTE INVERSORA, Y MINORITARIOS QUE OPINAN LO MISMO.
SOLO DIJIERON LO QUE YA SE SABIA Y ESTA EN DIARIOS HACE MESES..., SE NOTA QUE NO TIENEN IDEA DE VALUACIONES Y OPAS.., LAS OPAS SE PAGAN x2 x3 e INCLUSO MAS SU VL, Y SE VE SU POTENCIONAL FUTURO!!!!!!, NO SU PASADO!!!!!!
MIREN LAS OPAS, DE ALPARGATAS, ACINDAR,.. ETC, y CUANTO SE PAGO!!!..., Y OTRAS TANTAS...., EN PEOR SITUACION QUE INDUPA
ANALICEN UN POCO.., PARECIAN ANALISTAS DE DE RADIO DISNEY...,
INDUPA COTIZA A SU VALOR LIBRO, MAS QUE BARATO
MIREN POLLEDO, CECO2, EDENOR, METROGAS, COME, TODAS DANDO PERDIDAS HACE ANIOS, Y COTIZANDO X4, x5, x6 , x10 SU VL.
EL 90% DE LAS ACCIONES COTIZAN HOY a x2, x3 SU VALOR LIBRO EN PROMEDIO. O NO LO SABIAN
INFORMACION, PARA QUE APRENDAN UN POQUITO...:
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INDUPA MEJORO NOTABLEMENTE SUS MARGENES DE GANANCIA Y PRODUCCIÓN ESTE ANIO, EN LOS 2 PRIMEROS TRIMESTRES..., LO FAVORECE NOTABLEMENTE EL DOLAR LOCAL, Y LA DEVALUACION DEL REAL..
SABEN QUE LA DEUDA DE INDUPA ES EN REALES, Y QUE EXPORTA SUS PRODUCTOS ?
LA PERDIDA DE ESTE TRIMESTRE SE DEBE A QUE LA PLANTA DE BRAZIL ESTUVO SIN FUNCIONAR 1 MES ENTERO, LO HACEN CADA 6 ANIOS, PARA MANTENIMIENTO.
ADEMAS DE QUE EL PRECIO DEL ETILENO ESTABA POR LAS NUBES.., EL 4T DEBERIA SER MUCHO MEJOR, POR LA BAJA DEL PRECIO DEL PETROLEO. Y HAY DIVIDENDOS PENDIENTES POR LAS CONDONACIONES DE DEUDA DE ESTE ANIO POR MAS de 170 MILLONES DE PESOS, O NO LO SABIAN ??
SABIAN QUE VA A FORMAR PARTE DEL PROGRAMA DE INVERSION DE VACA MUERTA.., EL POLO DE BAHIA BLANCA ??
SABEN DONDE QUEDAN LAS FABRICAS. ??
SABEN QUE EL PRECIO DEL PVC INTERNACIONAL SUBIO CONSIDERABLEMENTE,
SABEN QUE EL ANSES TIENE EL 17% DE LAS ACCIONES Y NO VAN A VENDER NI SIQUIERA AL x2 DE SU VL, PORQUE ES UN PRECIO DE ESTAFA ?
SABEN QUE LOS TRIMESTRES ANTERIORES TRAJERON PERDIDA POR LOS INTERESES DE DEUDA, Y LOS ALTOS COSTOS..., ?? O NO SABEN QUE EXISTE INFLACION EN ARGENTINA??
SABEN QUE EN EL 2008, CUANDO EXPLOTO LA CRISIS, INDUPA IBA A COTIZAR EN LA BOLSA DE BRAZIL, A UN PRECIO DE SUBSCRIPCION DE 2 DOLARES POR ACCION ???
SABIAN QUE HUBO 2 VALUACIONES ENVIADAS A LA CNV, POR IMPORTANTES CONSULTORAS
A PRINCIPIO DE ANIO, POR 7.50$, y otra por 9.40$ ?? CUANDO EL DOLAR ERA de 8 ?, Y SEGUIA SIENDO UN PRECIO MAS QUE BARATO.
SABEN QUE CUESTA 600 MILLONES DE DOLARES HACER UNA FABRICA DE PVC.. ?? y QUE LO QUE OFERTARON POR 2 PLANTAS.. FUE LA MITAD ??
TENGO MUCHA MAS INFORMACION..., PERO NO LOS QUIERO MAREAR...., A VER SI SALEN DICIENDO QUE INDUPA SE DEDICA A LA VENTA DE HELADO.
HAGANSE UN FAVOR... SI VAN A REPETIR LO QUE DICEN LOS DIARIOS., SIN FUNDAMENTOS Y ANALISIS EN SERIO. CALLENSE LA BOCA..., DIO SIMPLEMENTE "ASCO" EL PROGRAMA. "
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33alrio
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QUE ESPERABAN ???????????????????????????????????? Creo que el ÚNICO que las tiene bien puestas como para hacer cualquier tipo de comentario, ademas de manejar informacion es CLAUDIO ZUCHOVIKI Jesus 220 todavia insistís con la CNV ??????????????? juajuajuajuajuajuajua, mira que bien hizo las cosas este chico que ahora es el presi del BANCO CENTRAL
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reincidente
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el tata escribió:Estoy escuchando el programa radial.... que vergüenza estos chicos...
solo los inversores deberían hablar al aire!!!!!
lo peor, es que le pasamos una tonelada de informacion pre-masticada!!!!!
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el tata
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Estoy escuchando el programa radial.... que vergüenza estos chicos...
solo los inversores deberían hablar al aire!!!!!
solo los inversores deberían hablar al aire!!!!!
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rickymansella
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NPE: Betting on a polymers boom
24 November 2014 00:00 Source:ICIS Chemical Business
Plastics will be plentiful in 2017 – polyethylene (PE) in particular. Multiple projects will increase US capacity at an unprecedented rate. With natural gas bountiful and ethane most abundant as a cracker feedstock, it is no surprise that PE will comprise the bulk of the downstream production.
Ethane-cracking yields ethylene and not much else, while naphtha-cracking produces ethylene, propylene and C4 for butadiene (BD), along with aromatics. Downstream from ethylene, petrochemical companies are placing their chips primarily on PE, as well as polyvinyl chloride (PVC) production.
Roulette table Rex Features
Rex Features
Already there are plans to build 11 new ethane crackers in the US, for a total of 13.3m tonnes/year of ethylene capacity. Include another eight expansions of existing crackers to add 1.6m tonnes/year, and you have a whopping 14.9m tonnes/year of planned ethylene capacity, or 55% of the existing capacity base, according to an ICIS analysis.
Much of that capacity is set to start-up in 2017. These figures do not include plans by start-up companies such as Badlands NGL and Aither Chemicals to build new crackers. Among the 11 planned new crackers, five are already under construction – by Chevron Phillips Chemical, ExxonMobil Chemical, Dow Chemical, Formosa Plastics and Mexichem/Occidental Chemical.
Two others – from Sasol and Shell – have already secured permits and are awaiting final investment decisions from management.
And downstream from the planned crackers are a slew of planned new PE plants, along with standalone PE expansions.
HUGE SURGE OF CAPACITY
Altogether, there are 17 planned new PE units in the US, including multiple units at certain sites, for a total of 8.1m tonnes/year of capacity. This represents a 53% increase in the existing US capacity base, according to an ICIS analysis.
Not included in this analysis is the new ambitious PE project announced by start-up Badlands NGL. In October 2014, Badlands announced its intention to build 1.5m tonnes/year of PE capacity in North Dakota, US, to take advantage of ethane production in the state’s Bakken shale formation.
The $4bn (€3.2bn) project was announced by Badlands NGL along with North Dakota governor Jack Dalrymple. “This project is fully aligned with our goals to reduce flaring, add value to our energy resources right here in North Dakota and create diverse job opportunities across the state,” Dalrymple said.
“This facility is the solution needed to add value to North Dakota’s ethane supply and make it a commercially marketable product,” Badlands CEO William Jeffery Gilliam added. “In doing so, there will actually be a market advantage for North Dakota PE products.”
To develop the PE project, Badlands will be working with strategic partners Tecnicas Reunidas, a Spain-based petrochemical design and technology company, and Vinmar, a US-based project development and marketing company.
Preliminary engineering work, which will include technology evaluations, engineering and planning and final site selection, is expected to be complete before the end of 2014. The facility is expected to take three years for full development.
In Canada, NOVA Chemicals is building a 460,000 tonne/year linear low density polyethylene (LLDPE) plant in Joffre, Alberta, for start-up in the summer of 2016. It expects higher ethylene production from its existing crackers in Joffre from using off-gases from nearby oil sands production, along with US ethane piped in from North Dakota.
Lastly, in Coatzacoalcos, Mexico, the Braskem Idesa joint-venture cracker and PE project called Ethylene XXI is on track to start up in the second half of 2015. That will include a 1.05m tonne/year cracker with three downstream PE units – two units to produce a total of 750,000 tonnes/year of high density polyethylene (HDPE), and one unit with 300,000 tonnes/year of low density polyethylene (LDPE) capacity.
INCREASED IMPETUS
The state has been pushing producers to capture more natural gas and natural gas liquids (NGLs) as the shale boom has outpaced the building of gas-capturing infrastructure in the Bakken shale play. North Dakota instituted minimum capture requirements, effective on 1 October.
PVC will be the other major polymer being produced downstream from the new crackers in the US. The 544,000 tonne/year Mexichem/OxyChem cracker being built in Ingleside, Texas, will feed the ethylene into vinyl chloride monomer (VCM) production at the site, which in turn will be shipped to Mexichem’s PVC plants in Mexico. That cracker is slated for start-up in the first quarter of 2017.
Two other PVC producers – Axiall and Shintech – are also building crackers, presumably for PVC feedstock. US-based Axiall plans to build a 1m tonne/year cracker with partner South Korea-based Lotte Chemical at a site in Louisiana by 2018.
And Japan-based PVC producer Shintech was the latest major company to announce a new cracker in April 2014. It is planning to build a 500,000 tonne/year cracker in Louisiana but has not specified a target date for start-up.
The coming boom in polymers capacity is part of a larger revival in the US chemical sector – all arising from shale gas. With a 50-60% cost advantage for US chemical producers versus those in western Europe and Asia, which mostly rely on naphtha feedstock, the US is undertaking 197 chemical projects based on the shale gas advantage, representing investment of around $125bn, according to Kevin Swift, chief economist of the American Chemistry Council (ACC).
The ACC ultimately forecasts $150bn in chemical projects with peak investment outlays in 2017.
And while plastics converters in the US are eagerly awaiting new capacity flooding the local market, a good slug of that capacity is targeted for export – to Latin America, Europe and Asia.
Swift estimates that 65-75% of the new capacity set to come on stream in the US Gulf Coast will be exported, largely in the form of plastic resin. US chemical producers are expected to gain global market share, at the expense of their European counterparts.
Already European PE producers are shutting down certain units permanently. In October, a Borealis source said the company’s 175,000 tonne/year HDPE plant in Burghausen, Germany, will not return to operation when the site comes back from maintenance in progress. The plant had been due for closure at the end of 2014.
The Borealis HDPE plant will be the latest in a line of PE closures in Europe, as producers cut production at older non-profitable plants in the face of competition from newer lower-cost units, mainly in the Middle East and increasingly in North America.
Coming up in planned closures are Total’s 70,000 tonne/year HDPE unit in Antwerp, Belgium, by the end of 2014, and Repsol’s 90,000 tonne/year HDPE plant in Puertollano, Spain, in 2015.
While the flood of US polymers capacity will displace some product in other countries, such a massive unprecedented expansion is likely to take down pricing in the local market, if past petrochemical cycles are to be repeated.
However, petrochemical and polymers prices in the US have been tracking Brent crude oil – not US natural gas prices, even as 80% of cracker feedstock is being derived from natural gas.
An ICIS analysis of the relationship since 2000 between US chemical prices (including polymers) as measured by the US ICIS Petrochemical Index (IPEX), Brent crude oil and Henry Hub natural gas, reveals that the US IPEX and Brent crude oil have an R2 (r-squared) of 86.4%. This is a significant degree of correlation.
In stark contrast, even as 80% of cracker feedstocks are based on natural gas, the R2 between the US IPEX and natural gas is just 1.9% – essentially there has been no correlation.
US petrochemical and polymers producers may take some comfort in that high prices can be sustained by high crude oil while production costs are based on ultra-low natural gas. But will that relationship hold with the massive wave of capacity by 2017?
Additional reporting by Jessie Waldheim in Houston and Linda Naylor in London
24 November 2014 00:00 Source:ICIS Chemical Business
Plastics will be plentiful in 2017 – polyethylene (PE) in particular. Multiple projects will increase US capacity at an unprecedented rate. With natural gas bountiful and ethane most abundant as a cracker feedstock, it is no surprise that PE will comprise the bulk of the downstream production.
Ethane-cracking yields ethylene and not much else, while naphtha-cracking produces ethylene, propylene and C4 for butadiene (BD), along with aromatics. Downstream from ethylene, petrochemical companies are placing their chips primarily on PE, as well as polyvinyl chloride (PVC) production.
Roulette table Rex Features
Rex Features
Already there are plans to build 11 new ethane crackers in the US, for a total of 13.3m tonnes/year of ethylene capacity. Include another eight expansions of existing crackers to add 1.6m tonnes/year, and you have a whopping 14.9m tonnes/year of planned ethylene capacity, or 55% of the existing capacity base, according to an ICIS analysis.
Much of that capacity is set to start-up in 2017. These figures do not include plans by start-up companies such as Badlands NGL and Aither Chemicals to build new crackers. Among the 11 planned new crackers, five are already under construction – by Chevron Phillips Chemical, ExxonMobil Chemical, Dow Chemical, Formosa Plastics and Mexichem/Occidental Chemical.
Two others – from Sasol and Shell – have already secured permits and are awaiting final investment decisions from management.
And downstream from the planned crackers are a slew of planned new PE plants, along with standalone PE expansions.
HUGE SURGE OF CAPACITY
Altogether, there are 17 planned new PE units in the US, including multiple units at certain sites, for a total of 8.1m tonnes/year of capacity. This represents a 53% increase in the existing US capacity base, according to an ICIS analysis.
Not included in this analysis is the new ambitious PE project announced by start-up Badlands NGL. In October 2014, Badlands announced its intention to build 1.5m tonnes/year of PE capacity in North Dakota, US, to take advantage of ethane production in the state’s Bakken shale formation.
The $4bn (€3.2bn) project was announced by Badlands NGL along with North Dakota governor Jack Dalrymple. “This project is fully aligned with our goals to reduce flaring, add value to our energy resources right here in North Dakota and create diverse job opportunities across the state,” Dalrymple said.
“This facility is the solution needed to add value to North Dakota’s ethane supply and make it a commercially marketable product,” Badlands CEO William Jeffery Gilliam added. “In doing so, there will actually be a market advantage for North Dakota PE products.”
To develop the PE project, Badlands will be working with strategic partners Tecnicas Reunidas, a Spain-based petrochemical design and technology company, and Vinmar, a US-based project development and marketing company.
Preliminary engineering work, which will include technology evaluations, engineering and planning and final site selection, is expected to be complete before the end of 2014. The facility is expected to take three years for full development.
In Canada, NOVA Chemicals is building a 460,000 tonne/year linear low density polyethylene (LLDPE) plant in Joffre, Alberta, for start-up in the summer of 2016. It expects higher ethylene production from its existing crackers in Joffre from using off-gases from nearby oil sands production, along with US ethane piped in from North Dakota.
Lastly, in Coatzacoalcos, Mexico, the Braskem Idesa joint-venture cracker and PE project called Ethylene XXI is on track to start up in the second half of 2015. That will include a 1.05m tonne/year cracker with three downstream PE units – two units to produce a total of 750,000 tonnes/year of high density polyethylene (HDPE), and one unit with 300,000 tonnes/year of low density polyethylene (LDPE) capacity.
INCREASED IMPETUS
The state has been pushing producers to capture more natural gas and natural gas liquids (NGLs) as the shale boom has outpaced the building of gas-capturing infrastructure in the Bakken shale play. North Dakota instituted minimum capture requirements, effective on 1 October.
PVC will be the other major polymer being produced downstream from the new crackers in the US. The 544,000 tonne/year Mexichem/OxyChem cracker being built in Ingleside, Texas, will feed the ethylene into vinyl chloride monomer (VCM) production at the site, which in turn will be shipped to Mexichem’s PVC plants in Mexico. That cracker is slated for start-up in the first quarter of 2017.
Two other PVC producers – Axiall and Shintech – are also building crackers, presumably for PVC feedstock. US-based Axiall plans to build a 1m tonne/year cracker with partner South Korea-based Lotte Chemical at a site in Louisiana by 2018.
And Japan-based PVC producer Shintech was the latest major company to announce a new cracker in April 2014. It is planning to build a 500,000 tonne/year cracker in Louisiana but has not specified a target date for start-up.
The coming boom in polymers capacity is part of a larger revival in the US chemical sector – all arising from shale gas. With a 50-60% cost advantage for US chemical producers versus those in western Europe and Asia, which mostly rely on naphtha feedstock, the US is undertaking 197 chemical projects based on the shale gas advantage, representing investment of around $125bn, according to Kevin Swift, chief economist of the American Chemistry Council (ACC).
The ACC ultimately forecasts $150bn in chemical projects with peak investment outlays in 2017.
And while plastics converters in the US are eagerly awaiting new capacity flooding the local market, a good slug of that capacity is targeted for export – to Latin America, Europe and Asia.
Swift estimates that 65-75% of the new capacity set to come on stream in the US Gulf Coast will be exported, largely in the form of plastic resin. US chemical producers are expected to gain global market share, at the expense of their European counterparts.
Already European PE producers are shutting down certain units permanently. In October, a Borealis source said the company’s 175,000 tonne/year HDPE plant in Burghausen, Germany, will not return to operation when the site comes back from maintenance in progress. The plant had been due for closure at the end of 2014.
The Borealis HDPE plant will be the latest in a line of PE closures in Europe, as producers cut production at older non-profitable plants in the face of competition from newer lower-cost units, mainly in the Middle East and increasingly in North America.
Coming up in planned closures are Total’s 70,000 tonne/year HDPE unit in Antwerp, Belgium, by the end of 2014, and Repsol’s 90,000 tonne/year HDPE plant in Puertollano, Spain, in 2015.
While the flood of US polymers capacity will displace some product in other countries, such a massive unprecedented expansion is likely to take down pricing in the local market, if past petrochemical cycles are to be repeated.
However, petrochemical and polymers prices in the US have been tracking Brent crude oil – not US natural gas prices, even as 80% of cracker feedstock is being derived from natural gas.
An ICIS analysis of the relationship since 2000 between US chemical prices (including polymers) as measured by the US ICIS Petrochemical Index (IPEX), Brent crude oil and Henry Hub natural gas, reveals that the US IPEX and Brent crude oil have an R2 (r-squared) of 86.4%. This is a significant degree of correlation.
In stark contrast, even as 80% of cracker feedstocks are based on natural gas, the R2 between the US IPEX and natural gas is just 1.9% – essentially there has been no correlation.
US petrochemical and polymers producers may take some comfort in that high prices can be sustained by high crude oil while production costs are based on ultra-low natural gas. But will that relationship hold with the massive wave of capacity by 2017?
Additional reporting by Jessie Waldheim in Houston and Linda Naylor in London
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rickymansella
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Re: INDU Solvay Indupa
rickymansella escribió:http://www.icis.com/resources/news/2014 ... mers-boom/
muy buena la nota ,resumo , se hablad de un aumento de la produccion de etileno en un 50%, aumentaria la oferta , y la ganancia se traduciria en las resinas ,
los farbicantes de pvc y polietileno ,con shale gas barato ,se van a fabricar su propio etileno ,
entonces a largo plazo el etileno bajara y los precios de la resina se mantendran ,en relacion al petroleo
es lo que pensaba ,con la revolucion del shale gas ,el negocio comenzo con el etileno ,hicieron fortunas con altos margenes de ganancia ,
todos hacen etileno .aumenta la oferta , pero tambien los compradores se van a ser su etileno ,entonces el margen de ganancia y valor agregado va a pasar a los petroquimicos intermedios pe pvc etc .
ahora nos toca a nosotros!!!!
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rickymansella
- Mensajes: 2746
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Re: INDU Solvay Indupa
http://www.icis.com/resources/news/2014 ... mers-boom/
muy buena la nota ,resumo , se hablad de un aumento de la produccion de etileno en un 50%, aumentaria la oferta , y la ganancia se traduciria en las resinas ,
los farbicantes de pvc y polietileno ,con shale gas barato ,se van a fabricar su propio etileno ,
entonces a largo plazo el etileno bajara y los precios de la resina se mantendran ,en relacion al petroleo
muy buena la nota ,resumo , se hablad de un aumento de la produccion de etileno en un 50%, aumentaria la oferta , y la ganancia se traduciria en las resinas ,
los farbicantes de pvc y polietileno ,con shale gas barato ,se van a fabricar su propio etileno ,
entonces a largo plazo el etileno bajara y los precios de la resina se mantendran ,en relacion al petroleo
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jesus330
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Re: INDU Solvay Indupa
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