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Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Lun Abr 27, 2015 9:17 am
por oliveravet
aleelputero(deputs) escribió:Pese a que con este papel estoy con estrategia a junio doy mi opinion sobre lo que es la sobrecompra y el error que cometen muchos segun mi opinion. La sobre compra no es cambio de tendencia eminente, es un error vender porque un papel este en sobre compra, inclusive alguno toma esto como signo de fortaleza. Para explicarlo de manera sencilla la sobrecompra supongamos que estamos recorriendo un camino, debemos llegar a un objetivo, y tenemos un auto que corre a 20, y ya estamos en los 180 195, obviamente que no podemos mantener todo el trayecto ese acelere porque fundimos el motor, podemos desacelerar un cacho inclusive, pero eso no quiere decir que el auto necesariamente se detenga o vaya para atras mucho ojoo, igualmente cuando el papel esta sobrevendido uds recuerdan esos dias?. En sintesis en mi opinion uno pierde de ganar menos, y pierde mas de lo suficiente interpretando mal esta valiosa herramienta. Ahora si sale de la zona de sobreventa, quebrando hacia abajo dicha cosa. Es otra cosa. Saludos y buenas inversiones.

el ejemplo esta bueno , pero el objetivo lo debe fijar cada uno , esa seria la llegada , ojo que se te puede acabar el combustible

Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Lun Abr 27, 2015 9:13 am
por blinky
9.77 en el pre

Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Lun Abr 27, 2015 9:08 am
por EL_INCURSIONISTA
Por volúmenes que viene manejando.... Pronostico Sube... Hasta los 60 mínimo sin recorte

Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Lun Abr 27, 2015 9:07 am
por MarkoJulius
Las tomas de ganancias se están dando intraday ... para mi la suba no va aflojar , la pelea se va a dar en 14/15 en el 61.8 de fibo que es el retroceso de toda la baja que tuvo desde los 21 ( puede fallar ). Ojo que si las calificadoras o los bancos nos dan grado de inversión ( compre ya ! ) rajemos que nos comen los tiburones ... ja ja

Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Lun Abr 27, 2015 9:00 am
por gilgames
de el profe:
Cuando bajo de 20 a 5 dólares, vos te pensas que antes de los 10 no daba sobreventa? y siguió bajando!
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LO pongo nuevamente por si paso desapercibido. :respeto:

Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Lun Abr 27, 2015 8:56 am
por ramifur
Morgan Stanley downgrading Petrobras (PBR) to UNDERWEIGHT with PT USD 8.50. (see Pdf for details)

Audited financials reporting removed a big overhang from PBR and
the Brazilian equity & fixed income markets. Following 100% rally
from the March bottom, we see 15% downside to the equity value
due to negative free cash flows in 2015–18e and disproportionate
debt levels. We downgrade PBR to UW.
Default overhang is behind us, but capital structure deficiency is a key
concern and valuation is not attractive. Debt acceleration is no longer a
threat and Petrobras is regaining access to debt markets. But fundamentals are
not supportive with cash burn prevailing in the coming four years, as
investments are expected to outpace operating cash generation by $6.0B on
average. With ND/EBITDA above 6x in 2015e and lingering at ~5x through
2017e, our view is that the company will continue to focus its business plan on
servicing debt holders to the detriment of equity holders. PBR is trading at a
27% premium to global integrated oils on EV/EBITDA of 8.8x, which we find
unattractive.
We agree that cutting capex and intensifying divestments contribute to
deleveraging, but they are insufficient to completely fix the balance
sheet. Our view is that these measures focus on the near-term damage
control to avoid a debt spiral. And the uninspiring production growth target
that was unveiled along with the first round of capex cut supports our thesis
that medium- to long-term cash flows could be compromised under this
strategy. Even if there was no impact on production, for each $5B capex cut or
asset sale, ND/EBITDA declines by only ~0.2x and ND/Capital by 90bps.
We continue to think that an equity issuance could be beneficial for
Petrobras to regain scope for investment. The recent recovery in the stock
could actually make the decision easier, as we see PBR trading near 1.0x 2015e
P/BV. Even if management continues to rule out an equity issuance, we see a
~$40B injection (along with capital discipline and better governance) as a
definitive path to fix the capital structure, making the balance sheet healthier to
support stronger growth in the medium-to-long term. This is preferable than a
multi-year period of very high leverage ratios, we think.
Cutting 2015–16 EBITDA estimates by ~30% and restoring our price
target at US$8.5/ADR. We have updated our model following 4Q14 report
and also marked-to-market our model with the lower crude oil price estimates
of our commodities team and the weaker BRL estimates of our FX strategists.
We also revised our production curve downward by ~15% in 2016–20 as a
result of the lower level of capex in that period.


Estos son como las calificadoras.. deben estar comprando a dos manos!

Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Lun Abr 27, 2015 8:53 am
por DiegoYSalir
Peloco escribió:Para mi viene recorte. ...

El tema es que cuando sube mucho de golpe, Los recortes son más sabrosos :mrgreen:

otro que la mira desde afuera jijijiijijiiii

LA ÑATA CONTRA EL VIDRIO EN UN AZUL DE FRIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Lun Abr 27, 2015 8:51 am
por titán2
comentà PAPU que queremos que siga :arriba:

Imagen

Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Lun Abr 27, 2015 8:34 am
por Peloco
Para mi viene recorte. ...

El tema es que cuando sube mucho de golpe, Los recortes son más sabrosos :mrgreen:

Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Lun Abr 27, 2015 8:31 am
por AEAbroker

Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Dom Abr 26, 2015 11:55 pm
por aleelputero(deputs)
Perdon es un auto que corre a 200, no a 20. Maldita tactil.

Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Dom Abr 26, 2015 11:53 pm
por aleelputero(deputs)
Pese a que con este papel estoy con estrategia a junio doy mi opinion sobre lo que es la sobrecompra y el error que cometen muchos segun mi opinion. La sobre compra no es cambio de tendencia eminente, es un error vender porque un papel este en sobre compra, inclusive alguno toma esto como signo de fortaleza. Para explicarlo de manera sencilla la sobrecompra supongamos que estamos recorriendo un camino, debemos llegar a un objetivo, y tenemos un auto que corre a 20, y ya estamos en los 180 195, obviamente que no podemos mantener todo el trayecto ese acelere porque fundimos el motor, podemos desacelerar un cacho inclusive, pero eso no quiere decir que el auto necesariamente se detenga o vaya para atras mucho ojoo, igualmente cuando el papel esta sobrevendido uds recuerdan esos dias?. En sintesis en mi opinion uno pierde de ganar menos, y pierde mas de lo suficiente interpretando mal esta valiosa herramienta. Ahora si sale de la zona de sobreventa, quebrando hacia abajo dicha cosa. Es otra cosa. Saludos y buenas inversiones.

Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Dom Abr 26, 2015 11:47 pm
por El Brujo
MarkoJulius escribió:Si el papel estuviera lateralizando la sobrecompra será un indicador razonable e indudable para vender , pero no cabe duda que en este momento la sobrecompra se está dando por el tremendo volumen que está teniendo PBR que no le hace mal , es más para los comprados ojalá que esta presión compradora siga lo que va a garantizar que seguirá subiendo ... la cuestión pasa por preguntarse este rompimiento al alza intempestivo es cambio de tendencia de largo ? ...

SI.... Despues de 7 años de baja!!!!

Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Dom Abr 26, 2015 10:25 pm
por MarkoJulius
Si el papel estuviera lateralizando la sobrecompra será un indicador razonable e indudable para vender , pero no cabe duda que en este momento la sobrecompra se está dando por el tremendo volumen que está teniendo PBR que no le hace mal , es más para los comprados ojalá que esta presión compradora siga lo que va a garantizar que seguirá subiendo ... la cuestión pasa por preguntarse este rompimiento al alza intempestivo es cambio de tendencia de largo ? ...

Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Dom Abr 26, 2015 10:19 pm
por Hache81
Buenas, dejo esto que saque de acá :

http://online.barrons.com/articles/petr ... we_columns

EMERGING MARKETS
Petrobras Looks Fully Priced
The hobbled Brazilian oil giant’s stock accurately reflects some good news and the substantial risks it still faces.

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By DIMITRA DEFOTIS
April 25, 2015 12:03 a.m. ET
Emerging Markets

Bad news has become good news for Brazil’s Petrobras.

Otherwise known as Petróleo Brasileiro (ticker: PBR), the state-controlled oil producer and refiner has been embroiled in a corruption scandal that has netted scores of company insiders, politicians, and contractors. The investigation isn’t over yet, but auditors and the Petrobras board finally agreed last week on much-delayed results for 2014. The net result: a loss of $7.4 billion, or 56 cents per U.S.-traded share, following a huge impairment charge of $16.7 billion.

Petrobras shares, however, rallied 13% last week to a recent $9.95, contributing to a 36% climb so far this year. The shares are still down a lot over a 12-month span, and, by some measures, the valuation is attractive. But the recent gains have made the stock pretty fully valued in light of the potential for more problems. We’d steer clear.

The $7.4 billion figure included only $2.5 billion in corruption-related losses, much less than some analysts expected. But the book is not closed on the multiyear Car Wash scheme, in which contractors and Petrobras leaders allegedly conspired to rig bids and pocket money. Witnesses are still taking the stand. The company reports first-quarter results in May. Brazil’s President Dilma Rousseff, who headed the Petrobras board for a time and has denied any knowledge of the scheme, is still vulnerable; protesters have demanded impeachment proceedings.

AS BIG A PRICE as the company has paid, it remains laden with more than $130 billion in debt. Petrobras corralled some $12 billion in loans from entities including the China Development Bank in recent weeks, and that should help cover 2015 obligations. By releasing results for 2014 before April 30, Petrobras averted a disaster in which debt would have come due early, and it can reopen the door to capital markets. But spending less on exploration—Petrobras’ oil riches are buried beneath deepwater salt beds—means future profits will suffer.

Petrobras plans to sell assets worth roughly $14 billion in 2015 and 2016. It won’t pay a dividend this year, which is of no matter to the traders and short-sellers who have battled over the stock in the past year.

The collapse in oil prices—the international Brent benchmark is hovering near $64.85 per barrel—affects the entire industry, but Petrobras’ retrenchment is austere, writes Raymond James Analyst Pavel Molchanov.

The shares do hold some appeal. Petrobras’ price/earnings ratio is about 10 times estimated 2015 earnings, while companies in the iShares MSCI Brazil Capped ETF (EWZ) trade at above 16 times. The broader MSCI Emerging Markets index trades at about 13 times.

But Esty Dwek, global strategist at Loomis Sayles Investments in London, tells Barron’s via e-mail that much of the good news appears priced in.

“Head winds remain, which will keep volatility elevated going forward,” writes Dwek. “The impairment charge was lower than most estimates, but the asset sales planned remain hurdles…ongoing questions about the company’s credit rating and whether it remains investment grade are likely to keep uncertainty high. The road ahead remains long for Petrobras, and it is unlikely to be smooth.”

Ultimately, this crisis could make Petrobras more shareholder friendly. If oil prices rise, so will the stock. For now, the mistrust runs about as deep as its oil assets, some of which may have to be sold to the highest bidder.