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Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Lun Dic 02, 2013 8:21 am
por dneop
srv1239 escribió:Uno más...este de "Kredit":

Black Friday. Earlier in the year, we had upgraded Petrobras to Outperform predicated on an inflection points on three fronts: (1) production growth, (2) management's credibility and early achievements to turn Petrobras around, and (3) the possibility of a more benign government attitude with surprise price increases. Of those three, production growth is very much intact, but the latter two were significantly impaired after last Friday's announcement in our view. Timid price increases and an opaque pricing methodology deteriorate corporate governance perception, weaken the position of a strong, technical management team, have a significant impact of earnings and valuation, and leave the balance sheet extremely fragile amidst a 2014 full of uncertainties. We downgrade to Underperform, TP $14/ADR.

Beware 2014. 2014 now seems an incredibly delicate year for PBR. An opaque pricing formula does not show the hoped progress over the previous methodology. It also raises the question of how one can be confident on further price increases in 2014, an election year with increasing concerns about inflation and depreciation of the BRL. All these issues have a tangible impact on PBR. Without further meaningful price hikes, it only takes a 10% BRL depreciation to make PBR a 12.5x PE stock, with a $30bn funding gap and all-time high leverage of 4.4x. This leaves little room for any operational disappointments or eventual monthly delays to production. Furthermore, a pricing policy that is more attached to balance sheet than to oil prices is inconsistent with the PBR's business needs and competitive environment.

See you in 2015. What needs to happen in 2015 for the stated pricing policy to reach is objectives of a 2.5x ND/EBITDA? If there are no hikes in 2014 and if the BRL does not depreciate further, Petrobras would have to raise prices by more than 20% in each fuel. If such increases took place, the shares would look cheap at 5.0x PE. Those would be the highest single price hikes ever in Brazil. How likely would that be? See you in 2015.

esto no me esta gustando nada...

Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Dom Dic 01, 2013 11:29 pm
por srv1239
Uno más...este de "Kredit":

Black Friday. Earlier in the year, we had upgraded Petrobras to Outperform predicated on an inflection points on three fronts: (1) production growth, (2) management's credibility and early achievements to turn Petrobras around, and (3) the possibility of a more benign government attitude with surprise price increases. Of those three, production growth is very much intact, but the latter two were significantly impaired after last Friday's announcement in our view. Timid price increases and an opaque pricing methodology deteriorate corporate governance perception, weaken the position of a strong, technical management team, have a significant impact of earnings and valuation, and leave the balance sheet extremely fragile amidst a 2014 full of uncertainties. We downgrade to Underperform, TP $14/ADR.

Beware 2014. 2014 now seems an incredibly delicate year for PBR. An opaque pricing formula does not show the hoped progress over the previous methodology. It also raises the question of how one can be confident on further price increases in 2014, an election year with increasing concerns about inflation and depreciation of the BRL. All these issues have a tangible impact on PBR. Without further meaningful price hikes, it only takes a 10% BRL depreciation to make PBR a 12.5x PE stock, with a $30bn funding gap and all-time high leverage of 4.4x. This leaves little room for any operational disappointments or eventual monthly delays to production. Furthermore, a pricing policy that is more attached to balance sheet than to oil prices is inconsistent with the PBR's business needs and competitive environment.

See you in 2015. What needs to happen in 2015 for the stated pricing policy to reach is objectives of a 2.5x ND/EBITDA? If there are no hikes in 2014 and if the BRL does not depreciate further, Petrobras would have to raise prices by more than 20% in each fuel. If such increases took place, the shares would look cheap at 5.0x PE. Those would be the highest single price hikes ever in Brazil. How likely would that be? See you in 2015.

Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Dom Dic 01, 2013 6:55 pm
por dneop
srv1239 escribió:Estoy totalmente afuera de acá pero les comparto un reporte del "Doichbank", una primera impresión del aumento de precios:


Petrobras - Price increase: inadequate solution for a structural issue

Price increase: inadequate solution for a structural problem
We expect the market’s reaction to the price adjustment to be negative, despite the benefits of the increase. The main reasons are: (1) the increase is below what Petrobras needs to close the gap to international prices and end losses, and (2) the market will likely be concerned that this could be the last price increase until the 2014 Presidential election. We note that the impact on final consumer should be even more subdued than the 4% (gasoline) and 8% (diesel) price increase, reinforcing the view that the government remains unwilling to have fuel prices impact inflation and to raise disapproval among the population (hence the very limited increase in gasoline price).
What about the pricing mechanism?
Despite the wording on the press release: “Petrobras informs of the implementation of its pricing policy” and “following the recommendation of its board of directors, for commercial reasons, the parameters of the pricing methodology will be strictly internal to Petrobras”, it is clear that company’s proposal of a pricing mechanism that improves visibility of convergence to international parity was not accepted by the government. We do note the statement made by Petrobras that the company aims at lowering debt ratios to targets within 24 months, and that the board will monitor the company’s ratios, raising the possibly of new price increases. However, the 24 month time frame is a bit too long for the market to price any improvement at this point.
What is next for the stock?
Despite the announcement, gasoline and diesel prices locally remain below parity as well as the prices of other refined products. With losses expected to remain, domestic oil production growth should be the main driver for the shares over the next months. However, stronger domestic demand of refined products and the strengthening of the USD should deteriorate the company’s balance sheet and limit stock performance. In the event of lower oil prices and the government’s decision to allow Petrobras to maintain gasoline and diesel prices unchanged, the company should improve refining results and even recover past losses (estimated at USD33bn since 1Q08). However, lower oil prices should not bode well for the sector’s performance.

Ojala que no sea tan así la repercusión en el ADR.
Me la fume a la baja, muchos nos bancamos el casi 20% de caída abrupta, esperando esta noticia.
Así que....... Ojala el mkt no vea el medio vaso vacio

Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Dom Dic 01, 2013 5:57 pm
por srv1239
Estoy totalmente afuera de acá pero les comparto un reporte del "Doichbank", una primera impresión del aumento de precios:


Petrobras - Price increase: inadequate solution for a structural issue

Price increase: inadequate solution for a structural problem
We expect the market’s reaction to the price adjustment to be negative, despite the benefits of the increase. The main reasons are: (1) the increase is below what Petrobras needs to close the gap to international prices and end losses, and (2) the market will likely be concerned that this could be the last price increase until the 2014 Presidential election. We note that the impact on final consumer should be even more subdued than the 4% (gasoline) and 8% (diesel) price increase, reinforcing the view that the government remains unwilling to have fuel prices impact inflation and to raise disapproval among the population (hence the very limited increase in gasoline price).
What about the pricing mechanism?
Despite the wording on the press release: “Petrobras informs of the implementation of its pricing policy” and “following the recommendation of its board of directors, for commercial reasons, the parameters of the pricing methodology will be strictly internal to Petrobras”, it is clear that company’s proposal of a pricing mechanism that improves visibility of convergence to international parity was not accepted by the government. We do note the statement made by Petrobras that the company aims at lowering debt ratios to targets within 24 months, and that the board will monitor the company’s ratios, raising the possibly of new price increases. However, the 24 month time frame is a bit too long for the market to price any improvement at this point.
What is next for the stock?
Despite the announcement, gasoline and diesel prices locally remain below parity as well as the prices of other refined products. With losses expected to remain, domestic oil production growth should be the main driver for the shares over the next months. However, stronger domestic demand of refined products and the strengthening of the USD should deteriorate the company’s balance sheet and limit stock performance. In the event of lower oil prices and the government’s decision to allow Petrobras to maintain gasoline and diesel prices unchanged, the company should improve refining results and even recover past losses (estimated at USD33bn since 1Q08). However, lower oil prices should not bode well for the sector’s performance.

Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Dom Dic 01, 2013 12:19 pm
por pat22
Aqui hay q andar con mucho cuidado por ahora
http://meta-paloyalabolsa.blogspot.com. ... 12007.html
:117:

Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Sab Nov 30, 2013 9:59 pm
por jafebo
muchachos, fue suba al fin, tiene que repercutir... no quita que los tiburones intenten zamparse algun papel...
Aparte estos dias de incertidumbre se movió con cierta paz aunque un poco presionada para abajo...

Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Sab Nov 30, 2013 4:28 pm
por ENTRERRIANO
ANALIZANDO LA NOTICIA.... CREO QUE DEBERIA INCIDIR :arriba: EN LA COTIZACION.... ACA ESTUVO TODO EL TIEMPO ABAJO UN 2 % , CERRO NEUTRA, NY CERRO UN 1 % ARRIBA.... BRASIL CERRO POSITIVA...... ESTAMOS MEJOR PARADO QUE EL VIERNES..... DEBERIA SUBIR.... LA NOTICIA ES BUENA... NO FUE LA SUBA ESPERADA , FALTO UN 2 % MAS... PERO EN FIN FUE SUBA.... Y EL PUNTO B DEL COMUNICADO ES CLAVE.... BRASIL QUIERE EQUPARAR EL PRECIO DEL PETROLEO A SUS VALORES INTERNACIONALES.... ESTE DATO ES CLAVE.....ESPERAREMOS MAS AUMENTOS......

Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Sab Nov 30, 2013 4:04 pm
por el aprendiz
El lunes muchos pagaran peaje. :arriba: :arriba:

Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Sab Nov 30, 2013 1:22 pm
por PiConsultora
http://www.diariodopoder.com.br/noticia ... a-em-nada/

Jejeje tiene su propio Kiciloff...

Guido Mantega está completamente alijado das decisões mais importantes da área econômica, a cargo da própria presidenta Dilma Rousseff e do secretário do Tesouro, Arno Augustin, um gaúcho que ainda imagina existir a “cortina de ferro”, habituado a demonizar o setor produtivo e a elogiar a intervenção estatal na economia

Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Sab Nov 30, 2013 1:02 pm
por Petrobraseño
Política de Preços



Rio de Janeiro, 29 de novembro de 2013. – A Petróleo Brasileiro S.A. – Petrobras informa sobre a implementação de sua política de preços de diesel e gasolina após apreciação pelo Conselho de Administração, a ser aplicada a partir de 29 de novembro de 2013.

A referida política de preços visa atender aos seguintes princípios e objetivos:

a) Assegurar que os indicadores de endividamento e alavancagem retornem aos limites estabelecidos no Plano de Negócios e Gestão 2013-2017 em até 24 meses, considerando o crescimento da produção de petróleo e a aplicação desta política de preços de diesel e gasolina;

b) Alcançar, em prazo compatível, a convergência dos preços no Brasil com as referências internacionais;

c) Não repassar a volatilidade dos preços internacionais ao consumidor doméstico.

Já atendendo aos princípios desta política de preços, a Petrobras informa os seguintes reajustes nos preços de venda nas refinarias, a vigorar a partir da 0:00h do dia 30 de novembro de 2013:



Produto Reajuste
Gasolina A 4%
Diesel 8%


média Brasil



Os preços da gasolina e do diesel, sobre os quais incide o reajuste anunciado, não incluem os tributos federais CIDE e PIS/Cofins e o tributo estadual ICMS.

Seguindo recomendação de seu Conselho de Administração, por razões comerciais, os parâmetros da metodologia de precificação serão estritamente internos à Companhia.

Caberá ao Conselho de Administração avaliar a eficácia da política de preços da Petrobras por meio da evolução dos indicadores de endividamento e alavancagem da Companhia.


Rio de Janeiro, 29 de novembro de 2013

Almir Guilherme Barbassa
Diretor Financeiro e de Relações com Investidores
Petróleo Brasileiro S.A. – Petrobras





Atenciosamente,

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Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Sab Nov 30, 2013 12:20 pm
por PiConsultora
Lunes... gap :arriba: o :abajo: pero gap al fin. Mucha volatilidad y mucho volumen habrá. Para mi es :arriba: sobre todo por que devolvio las ganacias y esta de nuevo en 15/16 . Ansiedad de premarket tengo.

Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Sab Nov 30, 2013 12:05 pm
por dazman
boris escribió:era un día para verla de afuera!!!!

O no.. quiza es para verlo ya estando adentro. Eso dependera de lo que pase.
De todos modos el lunes vas a tener tiempo de salir, porque esto va a estar al cierre del mercado.

Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Sab Nov 30, 2013 11:54 am
por boris
Mmmm, que complicado va a estar el lunes!!!!! están dadas todas las condiciones para que los leones se morfen unas cantas gacelas (utilizando el lenguaje de José Luis Cárpatos)

1) Informes que dicen que si rompe el soporte el valor se va al infiero...
2) Gente que entró para jugarse una ficha, esperando el resultado de la reunión.
3) Noticias ambiguas y confusas, de doble interpretación.

Si de arranque baja= Efecto puerta 12, salida desenfrenada, alimentando el círculo vicioso ....
Si de arranque sube= Los que quedaron afuera expectantes se van a atropellar para no perderse la "gran suba", alimentando el círculo virtuoso...

Que panzada que se van a dar el lunes los peces gordos... y yo yo adentro LRPMQLRP, era un día para verla de afuera!!!!

Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Sab Nov 30, 2013 9:30 am
por pat22
Sigue coqueteando con el soporte del canal..... :111:
http://meta-paloyalabolsa.blogspot.com. ... 12007.html

Re: APBR (ord) APBRA (pref) Petrobras Brasil

Publicado: Sab Nov 30, 2013 9:07 am
por PiConsultora
ENTRERRIANO escribió:IGUALMENTE YO CREO QUE LA NOTICIA EN SI ES BUENA..... HUBO AUMENTO .... PIENS EQUIPARAR PRECIOS INTERNACIONALES....

Estoy de acuerdo. Despues de meditar un poco dije... hubo una malinterpretacion al momento del comunicado de octubre. La metodologia ciertamente, salvo vaguedades, no podia ser publica y mucho menos la periodicidad... si decian los dias 1 de cada trimestre acomodaremoa precios en base a usd, barril, produccion etc, se les generaba una presion inflacionaria inmanejable.
Lo de ayer , deberia ser muy bueno.
Resta ver cuan creibles son en bajar los niveles de deuda.
Yo creo que dependera la reaccion del mercado de la cominicacion de su politica y de cuanto le confien sus planes, pero tambien es cierto que semejnate monstruo no gobernara solo de acuerdo al precio de la accion.
Para la empresa es bueno y ya, por consecuencia los inversores deberian tomarlo a bien.
Veremos que hace el lunes. Supongo volatilidad y arranque a la baja.